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Poster: kdern Date: Aug 25, 2011 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

I just downloaded 6/24/70 from here and I can't figure out the tracklist order:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd_nrps70-06-24.aud.pcrp5.23062.sbeok.flacf

There are 47 tracks but they don't seem to match up to the setlists at all...

http://www.setlists.net/?show_id=0603
http://www.setlists.net/?show_id=0602

Looks like there was an early and late show? The track list isn't making sense to me. Are the setlists wrong?

Any help would be appreciated!

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Aug 26, 2011 6:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

Here's how it breaks down, I believe, with some notes appended:


EARLY SHOW

Acoustic Dead [complete on Lee AUD]
NRPS [complete on Lee AUD]
Electric Dead [65:01, complete on cooper.copernicus AUD] ;

LATE SHOW:

Acoustic Dead [27:00, only the * songs survive, on cooper.copernicus AUD]:
[0:59 Introduction] ;
Big Railroad Blues [3:15]
Deep Elem Blues [5:20] ;
Monkey And The Engineer [1:40]
The Rub [3:22] ;
Silver Threads And Golden Needle [2:12#]
Friend Of The Devil [3:28] %
*Candyman [5:31]
*Cumberland Blues [3:03#] %
*Cold Jordan [0:51#]
NRPS [29:44 +, complete on both, I saved Lee]:
Electric Dead [74:41+, complete on Lee AUD]:

Sources: Only AUDs survive, the most complete being a Ken & Judy Lee recording with 47 songs, made with microphones spread approx. 25-30 ft. across the balcony. Much of the other material is on the Cooper Copernicus recording, whose sound quality is so poor it'is not worth the trouble.

Comments in the Lee recording's .txt file about this evening: The late show has long been regarded as one the Dead's finest, and to hear it, in what is up till now the cleanest source available, is truly awesome. There are four TDK 120 cassettes from this night, however we have only three. Tape 1, 3 and 4. Tape 2 is missing. We will have to fill in the puzzle as the pieces emerge. And this poses a problem. We naturally want to bring you the complete show, but we have no idea when the missing piece will be found, so it was decided to release what we have. I included a text file for the missing sets in the torrent for the sake of continuity. This will have to do until the last tape is found. Noise Reduction was applied to the acoustic Dead set only. Some deterioration on the master tape during 83968 (D1T05), and some other small glitches, none of which should detract from enjoying this show.

The original audience master cassette was recorded on a Sony TC124 with unknown Sony dynamic mics, spread approx. 25-30 ft. across the balcony, by Ken & Judy Lee,. The cassette was baked, processed and transfered via Tascam 122 MK-III > Lucid ADA1000 > Tascam CDRW 700 (CDR) by John Jay Hance. Noise Reduction by Peter G. Audio extraction via Peak 3.2.1 on a G4 Titanium Powerbook, Flac'd with xACT V 1.2 and seeded by BoldCaptain via BitTorrent 3.2.2a.

It was a night that was filled with magic. The kind of night that legends are made of. All of the elements were in place. The band was on, the crowd was on, the energy was on, the tape was on. The X factor at a high. Disc 1 opens with the Grateful Dead acoustic. This set has circulated only as a fragment, a few songs that Mark Cohen, Judy's brother and Ken's brother-in-law, had tacked on as filler to 4-4-71, sometime in 1976. Though short, only 30 minutes, it set the mood for the night. The New Riders of the Purple Sage take the stage as the sun is setting... No ordinary evening, indeed. There is an electric set of the grateful dead still to come, and thats only the early show. Unfortunately this electric set has yet to be uncovered, along with the acoustic set from the late show. The rest of the show is here, and what a show it is. There is endless banter from the band, as they seem to REALLY be enjoying themselves.The New Riders open the third disc with their second set for the night. Garcia on pedal steel here, as well as the early show, and he really shines. But the electric set from the Dead is the real payoff. Open Not Fade Away, slow segue into Easy Wind, broken string banter into Me & My Uncle. "Mickey needs to get his gong together, where gonna do Dark Star.." What an understatement ! Dark Star into the second Attics of the evening, back into Dark Star, into Sugar Magnolia, back into Dark Star, St. Steven into China Cat - I Know You Rider. The crowd reels in applause as the band exits the stage. They return for the encore, and you can tell there is no hurry as they ease into Uncle Johns Band. He's come to take his children home... But his children don't want to leave. And they roar as the house lights come up, and Joan Baez plays thru the PA. Judy Lee recalls, "There was this energy in the air. We were all stunned at what we had just witnessed. The lights were on. Everyone was standing, clapping, stomping and yelling. Nobody was leaving. I looked at Ken, we knew it wasn't over. So I flipped the tape." Several minutes of crowd chanting to the exit music, turns into an eruption as the band, with members of the New Riders re-emerge on the stage with acoustic guitars. The crowd quiets as they tune and respectfully offer a prayer of Swing Low, Sweet Chariot. And with that, they sent the disciples into the early morning...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 25, 2011 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

These are accurate as far as I know. Can't say if they are the best sources for sound quality. I will say though, that the other one from the early show is mind blowing. Purely mind blowing.

Early Show
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-06-24.aud.cooper.coopernicus.32710.flac16

Late Show
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-06-24.late.aud.harlan.9330.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: kdern Date: Aug 25, 2011 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

Thanks - those are pretty rough audience recordings that I will probably have to skip. I know I'll never listen to them. Anyone know if there's a SBD version?

Wish I knew what the 47 tracks were. Guess it doesn't matter - so many other shows to check out!

This post was modified by kdern on 2011-08-25 20:28:13

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 25, 2011 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

In actuality this is a real fine audience recording that my friend J.J. Hance and his friends worked really hard on to restore and put here for our listening pleasure.I would hope that as you become more familiar with this site and others you will learn to appreciate the hard work that others put forth so we could click a mouse and listen to these recordings.
As to your questions,no sbd has turned up. The track listings are as follows:
Tracks 1-7 -early show acoustic set GD
Tracks 9-31-New Riders of the Purple Sage early and late sets.If you are not familiar they are a band Jerry formed with some friends and Mickey Hart,in which Jerry played pedal steel guitar.They opened a number of shows in 70'-71'.
Tracks 33-45- late show electric set GD
Track 47-probably late show acoustic GD

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Poster: kdern Date: Aug 25, 2011 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

Great - thank you so much for the information and all your hard work!

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Aug 25, 2011 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

No hard work on my part,I thought I would just point out that a lot of work went into taping these originally,and more work went into readying them for digital transfer and such.

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Aug 25, 2011 8:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

If you think those (June 24th, 1970) are rough, take a listen to this:-

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-07.aud.sirmick.31329.sbeok.flacf

Fortunately to be rectified by means of the 'up and coming' Europe '72 'Complete Recordings' box set (or, more accurately, treasure trove) - Thank heavens I threw any semblance of financial responsibility to the four winds and put my name down for one of the 'Limited Edition' copies.

Not long now - ticking off the days ...............

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 25, 2011 9:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

This place will be impossible after that comes out. All of you who got it will be gloating, and the few of us who didn't will be begging for you to host a listening party. Which we'll have to pay for, however, cuz we'll be the only ones with money left :-)

How far does $450 go in Thailand, fella? There are kids STARVING cuz you bought that box set! (Well, OK, maybe not, but I'll try that angle anyway ...)

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Aug 26, 2011 2:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

Heh 'Alth' (forgive me for being so familiar), a number of things come to mind:-

#1 - What's the betting that the music hits free download sites like 'Pirate Bay' quite early (allowing for the time and effort in uploading all 72 [or is is 73/74/75 now?] discs) ???? So all is not lost .........

#2 - I made the mistake (one of many!!!) of referring to Thailand as a '3rd world nation' once only to be corrected by one of my 'buddies' (yep, he was a yank) who pointed out that (unlike some countries in e.g. Africa), although they might not all be millionaires, you never see anyone starving in Thailand (OK, I haven't visited any of the refugee camps in and around the Thai-Burma border recently). Food is both cheap and plentiful here although the western/european stuff that I was brought up on is less common and hence more expensive. Suffice to say that I won't suffer too much of a guilt trip as and when 'the package' arrives. Tho' I will have a hard job explaining to the kids that there ain't a lot of money left for their birthday presents for the next few years - but I'll burn them copies of those '72 Wembley shows so they can enjoy them in their rooms all night long .......

#3 - One thing that does worry me though is getting the stuff through customs - the Thais love to tax anything to the hilt that comes from overseas so I'm expecting a substantial level of duty to be charged over and above the list price, which I will have to pay, before the man from UPS hands over the goodies. Now it's your turn to feel sorry for me - what "No chance" ?

#4 - Listening party? Good idea, and I promise not to charge if you take the trouble to travel here - OK, flights ain't cheap but we can put you up free if you can handle the journey.

Anyway, enough of my excuses, best wishes,

Tidewater-4-10-0-9



This post was modified by Tidewater four ten O nine on 2011-08-26 09:42:11

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 26, 2011 2:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

Yup, I was being satirical or whatever on No. 2. The whole "starving children in fill-in-the-blank" idea. I think of Thailand as a country that's doing pretty well, actually, and certainly not full of swollen-bellied children. Even here, though it's nobody's idea of a rich nation (used to be one of the world's poorest), and even though there are food deficit areas and under-nutrition is common for various complex reasons, the image of "starving children" would be WAY too ... cliche? Melodramatic? Simplistic?

I will say I'm pretty aware of $450 being more than double the monthly income of a pretty high-level public servant. What in the U.S. would be called "mid-career professional." And over four times the monthly salary of a cook, driver, etc.

Not that I'd really say, "Why you spoiled people! That box set costs more than lots of people earn a month!" I mean, I'm sure that if I went around playing E72 music to people who earn $50 or $80 a month (not unusual here) and asking them if they'd LIKE to have the ability to spend $450 to buy a whole bunch of it, more than a few would say, "Sure, absolutely! Find me that job, and I'll happily sign up!"

>Food is both cheap and plentiful here although the western/european stuff that I was brought up on is less common and hence more expensive

LOL, just came back from my Monthly Self-Torture Grocery Trip to the Big Pseudo-Western Grocery Store, which I only do to be kind to the kiddo. No, I did not spend $10 on the single available packet of Swiss cheese. (For that much I want something in French.) I did get a single tube of (ick) Pringles as a treat. Which I would NEVER buy in the States. Most of the imported stuff seems to be called something like Chees-O-Whiz or Choc-o-Crap. You know what I mean. (E72 is certainly a better deal than that stuff.)

The fresh mangoes on the street (where we mostly shop) are wonderful, though!!!



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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 25, 2011 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

Yea this is one of the all time greats (at least according to many) that exist in awful quality with no known better recordings in existance, a true shame... Over some time getting into the out there early stuff I suggest you revisit these shows.

I just listened to the DS > Attics and am now flying high on this other one. If you like the other one at all, this is monster no matter how much the sound sucks.

don't know if you saw my suggestion in a different thread. But I think the Alpine 89 (July 17, 18 and 19 1989) run would be right up your alley. Likely the best 3 day run (or 3 date stretch) played by the band in all of 89, a really hot year.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Aug 25, 2011 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help with track list order on 6/24/70?

Ken Lee worked at the Capitol Theater, and his wife Judy taped the show. What they taped that night is what was played, in the exact order by GD and NRPS.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 25, 2011 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another gem from 1970: 10-4 (good buddy?)

No help with that, but gathering the emerging preference for short and sweet tunes over jams, be sure to check out 10-4-70, which has an amazing UJB, my favorite live version, and a most interesting wah-wah version of SMag, along with an odd mix allowing you to hear the harmonies of Phil and Bob quite distinctly, and Jerry with an almost "echo box" component due to the tone of the hall/broadcast (radio). EG, pay special attn to Brokedown Palace, and harmonies on UJBand, re: your query about who sings what...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 26, 2011 4:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another gem from 1970: 10-4 (good buddy?)

Oooh, what a cool show! I'm really enjoying this. I have it, but it's been a long time since I've heard it. (I think. Sometimes I have a jello brain. Must take notes ... must take notes ...) I know it's not CSNY tight, but LOVE those harmonies. And a heck of a great clear bass in the mix, on mine anyway.

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Aug 26, 2011 12:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another gem from 1970: 10-4 (good buddy?)

Agreed - that show (4th Oct 1970 - apols for the Brit date format) has so much ENERGY ...........

That and 'Live/Dead' were my staple diet until such a time as more and more (bootleg) 'live' material (e.g. I have a vinyl boot with "I Wash My Hands In Muddy Water" - only performed the once) became available.

And then the Gods smiled and created the Internet Archive with a section 'deadicated' to our favourite band.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 26, 2011 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another gem from 1970: 10-4 (good buddy?)

No apologies necessary; it IS the way it should be written, as it is the shortest (ie, "4 October 1970" vs "October 4, 1970"), but of course, us American twits are wedded to using the 10/4/70 approach for our birthdays, ie shorthand, so that the problem isn't recognized by any but an editorial nerd (such as myself, or Ring, or Rob [both brit and the best writer here]).

Speaking of which, both he and Jacky Hughes have been strangely, and sadly IMHO, absent of late...and don't get me started on missing Miss D. At least some of our across the pond Forumites are holding up their end of the international flavor of the Forum (you, Rose, and many more in fact).